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http://www.m-bz.net/dw-c/ing/genesi_1_ing.pdf

prema ovoj knjizi na koju sam naletio slučajno, Kajin je bio prvi "neandertalac", poživinčeni hominid u kojem nije prebivao Božji Duh i svi smo mi Kajinovi potomci koji smo nakon tisuća i tisuća godina evolucije došli do kakvog takvog fizičkog oporavka, a Krisovom žrtvom i duhovnog oporavka.
vrlo, vrlo zanimljiva knjiga koja na neki način "miri" evolucionizam i kreacionizam...


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PostPostano: Pon tra 20, 2015 16:03 
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http://www.m-bz.net/dw-c/ing/genesi_1_ing.pdf

prema ovoj knjizi na koju sam naletio slučajno, Kajin je bio prvi "neandertalac", poživinčeni hominid u kojem nije prebivao Božji Duh i svi smo mi Kajinovi potomci koji smo nakon tisuća i tisuća godina evolucije došli do kakvog takvog fizičkog oporavka, a Krisovom žrtvom i duhovnog oporavka.
vrlo, vrlo zanimljiva knjiga koja na neki način "miri" evolucionizam i kreacionizam...

Glupost! Nemaju ljudi neandertalske gene već ljudske.

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PostPostano: Uto tra 21, 2015 07:56 

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:lol: pa ne postoje neandertalski geni. knjiga samo tvrdi da je istočnim grijehom došlo do poremećaja u genima koji su izazvali degradaciju ljudske rase tj. njenu hibridizaciju. teorija kaže da je upravo zbog toga Bog poslao potop da se do kraja ne uništi čisto ljudsko sjeme Setove loze jer se ova počela mješat sa Kajinovom neandertalskom lozom...


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PostPostano: Uto tra 21, 2015 15:40 

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:lol: pa ne postoje neandertalski geni. knjiga samo tvrdi da je istočnim grijehom došlo do poremećaja u genima koji su izazvali degradaciju ljudske rase tj. njenu hibridizaciju. teorija kaže da je upravo zbog toga Bog poslao potop da se do kraja ne uništi čisto ljudsko sjeme Setove loze jer se ova počela mješat sa Kajinovom neandertalskom lozom...

Ček malo Bog je napravio potop da bi uništio Kajinovu neandertalsku lozu?


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PostPostano: Uto tra 21, 2015 17:49 
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:lol: pa ne postoje neandertalski geni. knjiga samo tvrdi da je istočnim grijehom došlo do poremećaja u genima koji su izazvali degradaciju ljudske rase tj. njenu hibridizaciju. teorija kaže da je upravo zbog toga Bog poslao potop da se do kraja ne uništi čisto ljudsko sjeme Setove loze jer se ova počela mješat sa Kajinovom neandertalskom lozom...

Rekao si da si ti Kajimov potomak. Ondak bi imao neandertalske gene?????
To su gluposti, kakvi neandertalci! Bog je stvori čovjeka direktno bez evolucije. Evlucija je izmišljotina.

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PostPostano: Uto tra 21, 2015 17:52 
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Ček malo Bog je napravio potop da bi uništio Kajinovu neandertalsku lozu?

Kako je onda Križar potomak te loze? U prvom je postu napisao .... i svi smo mi Kajinovi potomci koji smo nakon tisuća i tisuća godina evolucije došli do kakvog takvog fizičkog oporavka.....

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PostPostano: Uto tra 21, 2015 19:29 

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Kako je onda Križar potomak te loze? U prvom je postu napisao .... i svi smo mi Kajinovi potomci koji smo nakon tisuća i tisuća godina evolucije došli do kakvog takvog fizičkog oporavka.....

pa to mi nije jasno,najprije kaže da smo svi potomci Kajinove loze a u drugom postu da je potop bio da bi se ta Kajinova loza uništila tako da bi ostalo samo čisto sjeme Setove loze


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PostPostano: Sri tra 22, 2015 07:49 

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svi smo onečišćenih kajinovih gena. noa je po ovoj knjizi zadnji "Sin Božji", dok su mu sinovi "sinovi ljudski", ne toliko degenerirani kao kajin ali ipak "oštećeni". pročitajte odlomak iz Knjige Postanka zašto je Bog poslao potop, vrlo je šturo napisano, ova knjiga daje vrlo logična i detaljna objašnjenja....


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PostPostano: Sri tra 22, 2015 17:24 
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Glupost! Nemaju ljudi neandertalske gene već ljudske.


Navodno imaju nekih 4% neandertalskih gena (ako nam znanost govori istinu, a ja sam donekle sumnjičac prema mnogim "istinama" koje se za neko vrijeme pokažu kao zablude). Međutim, to ne znači mnogo: ne znamo kakvih je sve rasa bilo prije Potopa. Neki starozavjetni tekstovi daju do znanja da je izgleda postojala i nekakva rasa divova (Nefili). Kakvigod bili ti neandertalci, imali su sve ljudske osobine, vjerovali u zagrobni život, majmuni sigurno nisu bili.


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PostPostano: Sri tra 22, 2015 21:07 

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svi smo onečišćenih kajinovih gena. noa je po ovoj knjizi zadnji "Sin Božji", dok su mu sinovi "sinovi ljudski", ne toliko degenerirani kao kajin ali ipak "oštećeni". pročitajte odlomak iz Knjige Postanka zašto je Bog poslao potop, vrlo je šturo napisano, ova knjiga daje vrlo logična i detaljna objašnjenja....

Znači Bog je poslao potop da " se do kraja ne uništi čisto ljudsko sjeme Setove loze" a u drugom postu kažeš "svi smo onečišćenih kajinovih gena" e sad ja iz ovoga zaključujem da se Bog zeznuo sa potopom jer se čisto ljudsko sjeme Setove loze ipak uništilo pošto smo svi onečišćeni Kajinovim genima a Kajinovi onečišćeni geni su preživjeli potop (po tvojoj teoriji)


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PostPostano: Sri tra 22, 2015 21:17 
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Navodno imaju nekih 4% neandertalskih gena (ako nam znanost govori istinu, a ja sam donekle sumnjičac prema mnogim "istinama" koje se za neko vrijeme pokažu kao zablude). Međutim, to ne znači mnogo: ne znamo kakvih je sve rasa bilo prije Potopa. Neki starozavjetni tekstovi daju do znanja da je izgleda postojala i nekakva rasa divova (Nefili). Kakvigod bili ti neandertalci, imali su sve ljudske osobine, vjerovali u zagrobni život, majmuni sigurno nisu bili.

Rafinirani ljudi s ukusom za lijepotu odjevanja i ponašanja nemaju neandertalskih gena.

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PostPostano: Sri tra 22, 2015 23:06 

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Rafinirani ljudi s ukusom za lijepotu odjevanja i ponašanja nemaju neandertalskih gena.


Zašto misliš da neandertalci nisu imali smisla za ljepo odijevanje?

http://news.discovery.com/history/archa ... shells.htm
http://www.ipick.ca/wp-content/uploads/ ... n-w724.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VxZFYsFQMY0/U ... al+Man.jpg

Nema čipke, ali imaju krzno. :DD

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PostPostano: Čet tra 23, 2015 08:54 

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Znači Bog je poslao potop da " se do kraja ne uništi čisto ljudsko sjeme Setove loze" a u drugom postu kažeš "svi smo onečišćenih kajinovih gena" e sad ja iz ovoga zaključujem da se Bog zeznuo sa potopom jer se čisto ljudsko sjeme Setove loze ipak uništilo pošto smo svi onečišćeni Kajinovim genima a Kajinovi onečišćeni geni su preživjeli potop (po tvojoj teoriji)


mislim da bi ipak bilo dobro da pročitaš knjigu čiji sam link zalijepio u prvom postu jer nije lako to u par rečenica objasniti. Potop je poslan da se do kraja ne onečisti ljudski gen koji je bio savršen u prvom čovjeku a istočnim grijehom je degenerirao i proizveo kajinovu lozu. dvije loze su se miješale, kako u Bibliji piše: Sinovi Božji su uzimali ljudske kćeri za žene....genetski poremećaj nije kod svih na istoj razini bio, Noina familija je bila koliko toliko očuvana, ali ni njegovi sinovi nisu bili čistog genotipa kao Adam. koji je točno njegov tj. istočni grijeh bio pročitajte u knjizi...


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PostPostano: Čet tra 23, 2015 08:56 

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ovo je npr. zapisala Maria Valtorta 1943. o istočnom grijehu: Maria Valtorta - Notebooks <

December 30, 1946

... (Adam and Eve) They did not curse even Cain, but wept over the one dead in the flesh and the one dead in spirit in equal measure, recognizing that the pain which God had permitted was just because they had created Pain with their sin and had to be the first to experience it in all of its ramifications. They thus remained children of God, and, along with them, the descendants coming after this pain. Cain sinned against love for God and love for his neighbor. He violated love completely, and God cursed him, and Cain did not repent. He and his children were thus nothing but children of the animal called man.
“If the first sin of Adam made man degenerate to such a degree, what measure of decadence must have been produced by the second, to which God’s curse was joined? What must have been the sources of sin in the heart of the animal-man and what power must they have reached after Cain had not only listened to the counsel of the Accursed One, but embraced him as his beloved master, killing as ordered by him? The descent of one branch, the one poisoned by Satanic possession, knew no rest and took on a thousand faces. When Satan seizes, he corrupts in all ramifications. When Satan is king, the subject becomes a satan. A satan with all the unbridledness of Satan. A satan going against divine and human law. A satan violating even the most elementary and instinctive norms of life among men endowed with a soul and becoming brutish with the foulest sins of bestial man. “Wherever God is not present, Satan is. Wherever man no longer has a living soul, he is the beast-man. The beast loves the beasts. Carnal lust—more than carnal because it is seized and sharpened by Satan—makes him avid for all unions. What is horrid and disturbing, like a nightmare, strikes him as beautiful and seductive. What is licit does not satisfy him. It is too little and too honest. He is mad with lust for what is illicit, degrading, and bestial.
“Those who were no longer children of God, because, with their father and like their father, they had fled God to accept Satan, ventured precisely into what is illicit, degrading, and bestial. And they had monsters as sons and daughters. Those monsters who now impress your scientists and lead them into error. Those monsters who, because of their powerful physique and savage beauty and ferocious boldness—results of the union between Cain and the beasts, between the most beastly children of Cain and the brutes—seduced the children of God—that is, the descendants of Seth through Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch of Jared—not to be confused with Enoch of Cain—Methuselah, Lamech, and Noah, the father of Shem, Ham, and Japheth. It was then that God—to keep the branch of the children of God from being entirely corrupted by the branch of the children of men—sent the universal deluge to extinguish men’s lust under the weight of the waters and destroy the monsters begotten by the lust of the godless, insatiable in sensuality because they were aroused by the fires of Satan. “And man, contemporary man, jabbers about somatic lines and zygomatic angles and, in not wanting to admit a Creator, because he is too proud to acknowledge he has been made, he admits descent from the beasts! In order to say to himself, ‘By ourselves we evolved from animals into men.’ He degrades himself, practices self-degradation, because he refuses to humble himself before God. And he is sinking. Oh, he is really sinking! In the times of the initial corruption his appearance was animal. Now his thought and heart are, and his soul, because of deeper and deeper union with evil, has taken on Satan’s visage in too many cases.
“Write this dictation in the book. I would have dealt with the subject in greater breadth, as I told you in the place of your exile, to refute the blameworthy theories of too many pseudoexperts. But there must clearly be a punishment for those who do not want to hear Me in the words you write under my dictation. I would have revealed great mysteries. So that man would know, now that the times are ripe. It is no longer a time to content the masses with fables. Under the metaphor of the ancient stories there are the key truths for all the mysteries in the universe, and I would have explained them through my little, patient John. So that man would draw strength from knowing the truth to climb back up from the abyss and be on the same level as the enemy in the final struggle which will precede the end of a world which, in spite of all of God’s help, did not want to become a pre-paradise, but preferred to become a pre-hell.
“And show this page, without handing it over, to the ones you know you should. For one it will help against the remains of a pseudoscience atrophying the heart; for others it will assist an already strong spirituality through which they may see the unmistakable sign of God in everything.”


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ovo je npr. zapisala Maria Valtorta 1943. o istočnom grijehu: Maria Valtorta - Notebooks <

December 30, 1946

... (Adam and Eve) They did not curse even Cain, but wept over the one dead in the flesh and the one dead in spirit in equal measure, recognizing that the pain which God had permitted was just because they had created Pain with their sin and had to be the first to experience it in all of its ramifications. They thus remained children of God, and, along with them, the descendants coming after this pain. Cain sinned against love for God and love for his neighbor. He violated love completely, and God cursed him, and Cain did not repent. He and his children were thus nothing but children of the animal called man.
“If the first sin of Adam made man degenerate to such a degree, what measure of decadence must have been produced by the second, to which God’s curse was joined? What must have been the sources of sin in the heart of the animal-man and what power must they have reached after Cain had not only listened to the counsel of the Accursed One, but embraced him as his beloved master, killing as ordered by him? The descent of one branch, the one poisoned by Satanic possession, knew no rest and took on a thousand faces. When Satan seizes, he corrupts in all ramifications. When Satan is king, the subject becomes a satan. A satan with all the unbridledness of Satan. A satan going against divine and human law. A satan violating even the most elementary and instinctive norms of life among men endowed with a soul and becoming brutish with the foulest sins of bestial man. “Wherever God is not present, Satan is. Wherever man no longer has a living soul, he is the beast-man. The beast loves the beasts. Carnal lust—more than carnal because it is seized and sharpened by Satan—makes him avid for all unions. What is horrid and disturbing, like a nightmare, strikes him as beautiful and seductive. What is licit does not satisfy him. It is too little and too honest. He is mad with lust for what is illicit, degrading, and bestial.
“Those who were no longer children of God, because, with their father and like their father, they had fled God to accept Satan, ventured precisely into what is illicit, degrading, and bestial. And they had monsters as sons and daughters. Those monsters who now impress your scientists and lead them into error. Those monsters who, because of their powerful physique and savage beauty and ferocious boldness—results of the union between Cain and the beasts, between the most beastly children of Cain and the brutes—seduced the children of God—that is, the descendants of Seth through Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch of Jared—not to be confused with Enoch of Cain—Methuselah, Lamech, and Noah, the father of Shem, Ham, and Japheth. It was then that God—to keep the branch of the children of God from being entirely corrupted by the branch of the children of men—sent the universal deluge to extinguish men’s lust under the weight of the waters and destroy the monsters begotten by the lust of the godless, insatiable in sensuality because they were aroused by the fires of Satan. “And man, contemporary man, jabbers about somatic lines and zygomatic angles and, in not wanting to admit a Creator, because he is too proud to acknowledge he has been made, he admits descent from the beasts! In order to say to himself, ‘By ourselves we evolved from animals into men.’ He degrades himself, practices self-degradation, because he refuses to humble himself before God. And he is sinking. Oh, he is really sinking! In the times of the initial corruption his appearance was animal. Now his thought and heart are, and his soul, because of deeper and deeper union with evil, has taken on Satan’s visage in too many cases.
“Write this dictation in the book. I would have dealt with the subject in greater breadth, as I told you in the place of your exile, to refute the blameworthy theories of too many pseudoexperts. But there must clearly be a punishment for those who do not want to hear Me in the words you write under my dictation. I would have revealed great mysteries. So that man would know, now that the times are ripe. It is no longer a time to content the masses with fables. Under the metaphor of the ancient stories there are the key truths for all the mysteries in the universe, and I would have explained them through my little, patient John. So that man would draw strength from knowing the truth to climb back up from the abyss and be on the same level as the enemy in the final struggle which will precede the end of a world which, in spite of all of God’s help, did not want to become a pre-paradise, but preferred to become a pre-hell.
“And show this page, without handing it over, to the ones you know you should. For one it will help against the remains of a pseudoscience atrophying the heart; for others it will assist an already strong spirituality through which they may see the unmistakable sign of God in everything.”

Kao prvo si mogao navesti na hrvatskom - prijevod postoji, a mi nismo Englezi. Kao drugo - koji je M. Valtorta autoritet i za što?


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